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and when I ask near-death experiences to

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explain why they don't do this in a

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controlled study they always bring up

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the problem of motivation when I am out

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of my body Marvin was going on why would

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I pay attention to what you've

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designated as the target I don't have an

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answer for that we also have people who

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are blind from birth who during their

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near-death experiences claimed to be

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able to see and can describe later

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things including color that they have

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never seen before we also have lots of

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stories of people in a native experience

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seeing deceased relatives they almost

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never report seeing living relatives

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well that's what you would expect if

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they're really seeing the deceased

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that's also what you'd expect if they

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were just going through wishful thinking

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wishing I would see my deceased loved

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ones but there is a type of deceased

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relative or deceased person that you

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can't explain on the basis of wishful

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thinking and these are what's called the

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peak in darienne cases and that comes

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from a book by Francis kara power Cobb

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in 1882 called the peak in darienne and

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these are cases in which the person who

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is dying sees a deceased person that no

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we have many cases of this in the

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literature and I'll kill you got a

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couple of mentions to give you an

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example of what they're like

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back in 1885 Eleanor Sedgwick one of the

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founders of the Society for psychical

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research published this case of a

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wealthy English woman who hired a local

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teenager to teach her girls had a sing

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this is the girl who had a beautiful

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singing voice so she had this girl come

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in a couple days a week to teach her

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kids have a sing until the girl who

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became old enough to leave home in which

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case she which time she left went to

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London to try to make a career as a

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singer seven years later this wealthy

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English woman is on her deathbed and she

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comes conscious again and says I heard

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the most beautiful singing like angels

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welcoming me to heaven and then I

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and shortly after that she died her

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husband assumed she was delirious until

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two days later he saw a copy of London

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Times that had Julia's obituary the same

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in 1983 Elizabeth kubler-ross published

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a number of these cases one was a Native

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American woman who was in a car accident

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on the side of the road out west in a

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remote area where there weren't many

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cars passing by and she was in very bad

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shape another motorist eventually came

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by stopped as people do out west to ask

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if he could help and she said I don't

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think I'm gonna make it if you ever get

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to the reservation down the road tell my

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mother I'm okay because I'm with my

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father he got a cell phone he called the

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rescue squad but she died before they

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got there he was so moved by being at

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there at the right time that he might

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have his way to go to the reservation

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and find this woman's mother my mother

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said that her husband this woman's

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father had died just a couple of hours

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earlier of a heart attack in another

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one more case this was a nine year old

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boy in Pittsburgh who had severe

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meningitis you know so severe that they

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weren't sure he was going to live

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through the night so his parents spent

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the night in the hospital with him in

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the morning

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his fever broke he became conscious

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again and he told the family very

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excited that he had been in heaven and

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had seen his deceased relatives

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grandparents talked about uncle Luigi

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and he said and Teresa was there also

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that was his older sister they said she

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looked beautiful it was just so good to

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see her again

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and the father got very upset and said

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what you're talking about

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if sister is perfectly fine she's up in

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in college and can in Vermont I've

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talked to her yesterday she's perfectly

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fine and the little boy said she told me

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I have to come back but she's going to

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stay here with Grandma and Grandpa the

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father was so upset he told the doctor

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to give the boy a sedative to shut him

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up the doctor said to the father been

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under a lot of stress been up all night

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go home and get some rest

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it's a father did and he immediately

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when he got home called his daughter and

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he found that the college had been

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trying to call him all night long she

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had been killing the cards at the night

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okay so where does this leave us none of

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these stories about NDEs are controlled

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studies they're all just anecdotes some

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of them are open to other explanations

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besides survival but I would say that if

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you combine all the phenomena from NDEs

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with all the data from mediumship cases

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from all the data with all the data from

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reincarnation cases and put all these

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things together the most parsimonious

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explanation is that some aspect of the

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and just to remind you before you leave

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this is where we are now here's the

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Cavalier and there's the chapel and you

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can get the trolley which is green dark

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green trolley for free anywhere here

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along these dots it'll take you down

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University Avenue to Main Street to

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Water Street if you're walking or

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driving you go down Water Street here to

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10th Street and tops is right there if

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you're taking the trolley it crossed the

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downtown wall and comes this way and

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tells me when I get off the tenth Street

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and that's where we are and the trolley

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stops 10:30 tell us our 11:30 tonight

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yes the 10th Street northeast moving in

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a very efficient talk and there is a

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little bit of time in principle they all

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as fascinated and inspired by this

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person but it is

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we believe all life

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Chester Carlson was the inventor of the

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Xerox process and he made a fortune with

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that and towards the end of his life

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started getting interested in Buddhism

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and decided to spend some of his fortune

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studying the question of survival he had

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heard about these children in India who

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remembered their previous life's very

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better from Eileen Garrett so he looked

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around for somebody to go investigate

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these and he settled on Ian Stevenson

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who was a well-known chairman of

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Psychiatry who had a good reputation in

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studying memory so he said to Ian who

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was open to this idea I'll pay your trip

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to India if you go investigate these

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kids for me and it gave him the names of

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a couple of kids

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Ian did that and while I was over there

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quickly found a couple dozen more he

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came back real report gave it to Carlson

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and thought that was the end of it a few

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years later when Carlson died he left in

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his will enough money to start this

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division so that's why I'm the chest

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across and professor of psychiatry -

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perhaps we characterize your data you're

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just missing your stuff as just an ad

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you have a taste series which is a

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superior form of day

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an anecdote if you had one it could be

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dismissed as man thank you you have more

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than an anecdote so don't discourage

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I bet you want